[2quick4uParticipant]

1st of all this is a long post (of 2) so for those who don’t like to read can leave, if not, i’ve warned you.

I’m briefly going to explain how the "NBA System" works and the instructions to hack it.

Our Universe is "dual", and therefore our reality is all about 0&1 or space&time and the dynamic interaction or "force" between these 2 is what makes "life" emerge, or in other words, what creates movement, a movement that gets caught up in a cycle that will create another system and a system that will make a "work" whether it is an atom, a cell, a universe or a "basketball-star". Finally that system that moves in a cycle and therefore makes a work, will "live" longer or shorter depending on its efficiency.

Basketball as an inevitable intrinsic part of this reality has exactly the same laws or "rules", and therefore uses the same equation with the same variables which if well understood, will give the tools to get as result the "code" needed to hack the NBA Matrix.

These variables and its equation have not been understood for the most part in history and actually seems like when a new "dominant force"/dynasty has emerged in the league, it’s been more due as a mere cluster of coincidences.

This is the reason why the most dominant players in history have not been able to actually dominate like were supposed to, or had to wait until the "general conditions" or rules benefited their games and enabled their attributes to blossom, and the reason of the absurdity of those all-time greatest players lists "per se".

Chamberlain did not traslate his "apparent superiority" into a dynasty not because of the lack of talented teammates, which is absurd as he played with Elgyn Baylor, Jerry West, Goodrich, Hairston, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham or Chet Walker among others, or because of the Celtics as he lost 2 Finals against the Knicks, but because the reigning rules of super high pace did not benefited his attributes, just like it happened to Kareem in the 70’s whom only won 1 championship in the weakest decade of all time, when half of the stars were playing in the ABA, and actually he would be "rescued" and only started winning rings with the emergency of Magic Johnson and the "new basketball" that this magician was leading.

Same happened to Magic himself and Bird in the late 80’s and early 90’s who could not handle the physicality that was taking place combined with the shrinkage of space and the decline of the pace, which was the reason why the Bad Boys won in 89 and 90 as transition to the 90’s, the slowest and most physical decade of all time and the decade where basketball moved from the greatest exhibition of team play to the 1star system now led by Jordan.

MJ himself was unable to win in the 80’s and again, not because of Magic or Bird but because the rules that were changed in 1984 to give birth to the ISO game did not impacted the game until late 80’s and especially early 90’s, but once they did, they unleashed the beast.

Curry also could not flourish in the early 10’s because the change of rules that took place between 1998-2005 did not fully emerged until 2015 when the pace and the space started to really increase and he finally exploded, changing the game of basketball in a way not seen since MJ, but it is funny how media and fans minimize what he’s achieving because the GSW dynasty would not exist without him, even if they had 3 kevin Durant’s on the team instead…in fact beacause of Durant the GSW have lost their identity and style of play that absolutely revolutionized the game, making them more vulnerable and almost causing them lose against HOU last year (and even the Spurs 2 years ago) being saved by the bell or injuries… And it is funny how it’s Durant who gets all the glory and the torch of best player in the game…

And also that’s what happened to Lebron in his early career in 00’s or late now where his game is becoming obsolete, and his "decay" has not so much to do with his age as he’s posting basically career highs and keeps dunking like always, but because the new game is running away from him, which is the same reason why a player can one year be named MVP and 2-3 years later be called a "cancer" or overrated or "stat padder" like it’s happening to Westbrook, and finally the reason why traditional positions and therefore many players are starting to dissappear, as they become obsolete to the evolution of the game.

This lack of knowledge of the functioning of the basic laws in the "NBA universe", is not only leading to the misunderstanding of the real impact of players in the game, but to the inability of GM’s and franchises in general to build teams without any criteria in order to adapt to the reigning conditions to be successful, and to the inability to understand not only their own "equation" but also the opponent’s equation in order to beat them in a playoff series.

This 1st post it’s been a quick revue to have a better understanding of how the NBA system actually works, but in the 2nd post i’ll actually explain its variables in more detail and how to hack this system, until the "demiurges" or gods of this basketball universe decide to change the rules again, which they will, but once you understand how the variables work you’ll always be able to decode it and hack that Matrix.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 So where is this the league headed now? This is the question I ask myself.  At some point Small Ball crashes and we go back to Big Boy basketball.  Could be this draft.  Zion might be the last "small ball big" to get drafted.  I can also see a run on bigs around 10.  Just get guys to slow down Embiid and Jokic and deter Giannis and Harden at the rim.

Maybe we get a mix of Showtime and the trend towards longer more athletic freaks like Giannis.

You can call it the Freak Show Era.

[2quick4uParticipant]

where the league heads next will depend on what rules do the "high spheres" of the NBA hierarchy change in the future.

For the moment, i believe we’re still finishing the cycle we started in 1999 when the league started to change the rules to go from the cold extreme of the 90’s to the super heat we are headed now… so i think that the "bubble" of this trend is about to explode but i still think that it has to inflate a little more, that is, the floor will probably be spaced even more like we are already witnessing with the super ISO that HOU or Bucks play and the pace also has to increase some more.

In fact in the part2 where i will show how to "hack" the actual system, that is, the current Rules that govern the league, it will show how the "tools" used would take this bubble to its extreme to blow it up, forcing the league to re-arrange it again after the caos created, with a new order governed with different rules to start a new cycle again.

 

[GronounoursParticipant]

 Another way to put it: the League changed the rules because the game had become too defensive and slow, but now we’ve reached the other extreme and the League may well change the rules once again soon.

But that’s a boring explanation, so why not add some stratospheric astro-mumbo-jumbo to render a simple topic totally abstruse? Why not mention the "universe", and "space-time", and "inflating bubbles", and "sub-variables", and "inefficient energy use", concepts that are completely beside the point, but have a nice ring to them?

[MkadozaParticipant]

 I love this, even though I dont agree with quite a few premises. Applying the general rules of many systems to another system can often provide interesting insight, and I’m sensing youre using the concept of "rules" that govern a "space" to draw equivilancy to the NBA ecosystem. In essence, your hypothesis is: Based on the governing rules of the NBA, certain "systems" and players will find more or less success depending on the rules.

While I believe youre theory has merit, I think it ignores too many variables. 

For example, you almost deride Kevin Durants impact on the Warriors, saying his pressence in the system has ruined the dynamic that has made them so formidable, citing close calls the past two years. The fact is, the Warriors are undefeated in series played by KD. Not so with Curry. And KD has objectively been the best player on their team, not only in the regular season, but ESPECIALLY in the postseason. 

Continuing upon your celestial premise, the rules of the system have correlation, but not causality. Based on the information we have, there are far too many variables to be predictive. In essence, this is the "phenomenon" factor. Certain players introduce a completely different playstyle, or their talent is so great, success has very little to do with the rules governing them. Jordan, Lebron, and Magic are players who’s talents would allow them to make consistantly winning players regardless of the era theyre in. KD is the same. These are the Supernovas, talents that obliterate the "current system and rules", because their talent goes beyond it. 
 

Lastly, while I again agree with your premise that the rules dicate what systems may perform better, its not predictive. In todays era, floor spacing, shooting, versitility and guard skills at every position are paramount. However, I could think of a roster of limited specialists that would compete for and win the championship regardless of era. Gimme Gary Payton, Michael Jordan, prime Ron Artest, Antwan jamison and Shaq, and I think I got a winner, even though the jump shooting is poor.

Anyway, awesome post, I love the theorycrafting, and this is the kind of in depth descussion I die for. 

[2quick4uParticipant]

yes i know this topic might be a little controversial but debate is good and we can all learn things from each other while pushing things a little further.

you’re intuiting well, but "space" is a variable itself, it’s only part of the equation although a big one; i wanted to draw that equivalency into the NBA system as you mention because there’s no other way around and although there are too many variables to take into account as you well say, including the "human factor" which i totally agree, we do know which ones are the most important. The real problem is that we do not comprehend how those variables work and therefore we cannot solve the equation right.

That’s the reason we have such a poor science and therefore the reason we make such a poor and inefficient use of energy, to the point we’re driving the planet and our especie to extinction while we can’t even get out of it for not understanding the most basics: gravity.

Could you imagine once we understand these "general variables" how it would affect lives including basketball¿? can you imagine players wearing shoes that have devices that defy gravity? combine that with humans that have nano-technology or IA introduced in their bodies that gives them "special atributes".. it would be pretty fun (or not) and i guess that could come sometime before 2050.

as you well mention again, there are too many variables to be predictive, but that’s part of the equation, as the universe as far as we know now, is probabilistic. But it is not a matter of gambling "per se", it’s not about especulation without any sense just like our "economic system" does or like NBA teams do, it is a matter of gathering the most amount of information available ir order to take the best action possible, that is, we’re talking about EFFICIENCY which is another huge variable in the equation and that’s why "big data" is going to be key in the NBA universe.

finally you talk about the "human factor", whether with its positive sub-variables like the "genius-factor", the "clutch factor", the "guts factor", the "consistency factor" and many others as well as all the negative ones you can name, especially the "mental factor" for players that can’t handle the pressure in playoffs, and so their numbers drop, changing therefore the initial equation.

as i try to show in my initial post, that "human factor" you mention as well as the rest of variables, they are all taken into account by the system itself whether we understand it or not, just like it happens with the stock market which moves up or down as a result of all the information and variables available in our system and just as it happens with nature itself which keeps "happening" and "emerging" whether we understand its functioning or not.

that’s why the "human factor" of players like MJ, Magic, Lebron or any player you want is already taken into account by the "NBA system" and therefore their success has everything to do with the "governing rules", and so we actually don’t even have to "speculate" about that, about how would these players perform under other general rules, because the "NBA reality" has already shown us that scenario, that probability, we actually do know as i mention in my initial post that MJ, the greatest BB player of all time, could not be successful under different rules during the 80’s just like Magic wasn’t successful with a different scenario in late 80’s and early 90’s even though he was considered the best BB player in the world at that time, as he was the named MVP in ’89 and ’90.

So who was the better player MJ or Magic¿? Well MJ was better in one scenario with some especific rules and Magic was better in another different one, but we do can say that MJ was more successful and dominant in his scenario than Magic in his.

[GronounoursParticipant]

You’re basically saying that for a player to be a star, he must have skills adapted to the current way the game is played. It’s not a novel idea, and it’s not even controversial. There are articles about that each day on ESPN.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with the “dual” character of the universe. Which is not “dual” in any objective sense anyway. There are 4 fundamental forces, and 4 dimensions. So why didn’t you use the number 4 to argue that we need a 4-point line? Anything goes, right?

 

I think you should focus on the topic, i.e. basketball, which you sound quite knowledgeable in. Get rid of all the wooly, esoteric meta-science.

 

[GronounoursParticipant]

"Our Universe is "dual", and therefore our reality is all about 0&1"

"0&1" (the binary system) has nothing to do with the universe and reality themselves. It’s a system, a convention, created by us, humans (and maybe some animals, how knows), to represent/code the information that makes up the universe and reality. Using a binary, decimal, or hexadecimal method to describe something doesn’t mean that "something" is binary, decimal, or hexadecimal.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Why you gotta kill the thread like that. 

[2quick4uParticipant]

if you look closely around yourself you will notice there’s only 2 elements: space and "things".

those "things" are energy in different states (like your pc or the light that comes from it), so we can say that only 2 elements exist, space and energy + the interaction between them. Actually science says now that both elements are actually part of the same "thing", 2 "states" of the same "thing" that scientist now call quantum field and that not so long ago was called Ether. The funny thing is that reality is non of those 2 elements but the interactions between them and so at the end of all reality is just about a dynamic interaction of information.

"that thing" that impregnates everything and that it is delimited by its manifestation in 2 opposite extremes is, whether you like it or not, our dual or polarized universe, and that’s what millenary religions and philosophies and science now have tried to explain in their own way each, to mean the exact same thing. 

it might sound esoteric or meta-science to you but it is what we know for now and actually i agree with you that this is a very poor science that is no different than religions and takes as much faith, because science is able to identify the "variables" that take part of the general equation (relativity&quantum physics)but do not come close to understand how it works, just like it happens in basketball.

and that was the reason of this (and especially the next) post, to put into the table the basic variables of the equation, which are the same that the ones that govern our universe, to try to explain how they really impact the game and to show how to use them to get the best from them. There are probably more but the most important variables are: space, time, the combination of both which is "pace" (or space in motion), interactions (dribbling, passing..), efficiency (not only shooting or TO), information (stats, big data, probabilities), the duality defense-offense, the "human factor" or gravity which would be the physical atributes.

as long as i’m concern, in basketball game there’s also 2 elements: players (energy) and space (court) + the interaction between them and delimited by the general rules imposed by the league… and if i’m not wrong, basketball is also dual or a "polarized universe" apparently opposite: defense and offense, but that at the end both are expressions of the same "game".

i don’t know if it is a novel idea or not, but i do know that 4 years ago i was already writting about the pace of the game when no one was even mentioning, and i was already calling Cousins an overrated player and not worth as franchise player when he was considered the best center in the league.. and 2 years ago when Westbrook was being named MVP i was saying the same exact thing about him and that his numbers were just inflated due to the pace just like it happened to Oscar Robertson in the 60’s, and that people were misunderstanding "impact" vs "stats".

People is taking it too far and now call their king James an old man at only 34 after posting almost career highs, without realizing that it is not about being old or overrated but about the "rules" that govern the league, that might drive to confusion.

still, people is starting to understand more this and realize more the impact of the "pace variable" but i do not think that not only fans but also GM’s really understand the rest of the variables, when i see the way teams are build or how they prepare or approach playoff series or when i see how they draft players, for example the Suns getting a player like Ayton with the Nº1 pick.

but anyways, and if you do not mind so much, i would like to write things as i like and as my style, and if don’t like it you don’t need to read them, it’s ok.

[GronounoursParticipant]

You started by saying that the universe is dual because it’s made of space and time. Now you claim the duality is about space and "things". So "time" is "things"?

 

You keep using terms in inappropriate ways; you cannot use your own, vague, changing definition of “force”, “equation”, “matrix”, “pace”, etc., and expect others (or even yourself) to understand what you mean.

 

The issue with quantum physics is that it’s mysterious and only partially understood, which encourages quacks of all kinds to use it in a sloppy way to bolster whatever weird theory they peddle. When you write “this is a very poor science", you’re mistaken. What’s “very poor” is how *you* treat science. *You* are turning it into a religion.

The best mind have a hard time figuring out the basics of quantum physics, but you plan to use it to find the right BB players for today’s game because, you know, "forces", "quantum fields", and "the universe’s rules"? Please. If you’re interested in science, try to understand it first and to apply the scientific method, instead of building grand theories on shaky ground and faulty (or simply inexistent) reasoning.

 

 

 

[2quick4uParticipant]

you’re starting to be pretty annoying and this will be my last response because for some reason you’re trying to distort the content of the thread and taking it totally out of context, so i’m not wasting any more energy on you as it is not worth and it’s becoming very inefficient…

when i said "things" i meant it to put it in an easy way for you to understand, but anyways yes, at the end of the day we could say that time, in our "scale", is a "thing" that it is "entangled" with another "thing" called space and out of this union emerges a "tissue" (if you will) on which the creation unfolds. Einstein called that "tissue" a "huge mollusk" so don’t blame me for using weird words to describe "things".

space and time (in our scale, as time does not exist in quantum scale) are "opposite expressions" of the same reality just like hot-cold are opposite expressions of temperature and it happens that this is the basic pattern of the whole reality, that is, that duality or polarization is manifested in absolutely every aspect of reality because that is its main pattern in order to "emerge", because without the interaction of "opposite expression" reality would not occur.. if you can’t understand this basic concept i can’t do much…

in fact let me tell you a secret, believe it or not, you are the result of an interaction of opposite expressions as well: a man and a woman… but don’t worry it happens to everything that "exists", so you’re not alone.

and it is that way because everyting is submitted to the same "general rules" and its variables, including basketball as there’s no other way, and that was actually the point and reason of the thread, to understand that also in basketball those "universal laws" govern the game and no one can scape to them, not even MJ or the greatest players of all time as i mention in the initial post, so the best we can do is to try to really understand how they work and their impact in order to be successful, which is something that 95% of the teams seem to not understand.

it is not that difficut to understand that space, time, pace or efficiency are variables that inescapably affect the game, and that in order to be successful you must understand how they work and how to use them.

that’s why i mention all those superstars and how they struggled under rules that did not benefited their attributes, and how some of them like MJ had to wait until some "variables" changed, changing therefore the whole equation and allowing him to blossom and fully express his attributes, just like tomatoes struggle in winter or super-humid weathers but once conditions change and sun-hot appear, they fully blossom..

if the Bulls had understood this "variables" during the 80’s, maybe MJ could have won a ring back then, but it happened that his "solo game" was absolutely inefficient in an era dominated by high pace, open space, passing and therefore team play and so he would have to wait until the 90’s when those "conditions" changed and allowed him to be highly efficient under them.

but to come to those conclusions teams have to understand how those rules, its variables and its equation work and that was the porpose of this thread that you insist to kill constantly.

the premise of this threat is very simple and easy to understand so don’t try to distort it; sure you may not agree and if so please make your own threat and explain your theory (i’ll be glad to read it) but don’t come here to waste time and take things out of context.

[GronounoursParticipant]

 So you’ve just discovered that basketball obeys the fundamental laws of physics? That the game unfolds in space and time? That players need to be efficient and have skills suited to the current rules? Congratulations, Einstein, that’s groundbreaking.

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