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  • #1263051
    NorrinRadd
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    Figured it’s been a month so it would be a good idea to drop the February addition for this.
    Zeroing in on some prospects here, and being pretty far in the season now, the rankings might be tightening up finally. Everyone has their different takes, would love to see what other boards on here look like… even if it’s just a lottery big board or something… Anyways, this is where I’m at as of now. The age next to the prospect is an approximate draft day age.
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    Zaccharie Risacher – SG/F – France – 19.2
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    Alexandre Sarr – PF/C – France – 19.2
    Matas Buzelis – F – Gleague – 19.7
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    Ron Holland – F – GLeague – 19.0
    Stephon Castle – G – UConn – 19.7
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    Nikola Topic – G – Serbia – 18.9
    Cody Williams – SG/SF – Colorado – 19.6
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    Tidjane Salaun – F – France – 18.8
    Hansen Yang – C – China – 19.0
    Robert Dillingham – PG – Kentucky – 19.5
    Tyler Smith – PF/C – GLeague – 19.6
    Reed Sheppard – G – Kentucky – 20.0
    Kel’el Ware – C – Indiana – 20.1
    Donovan Clingan – C – UConn – 20.3
    Kyshawn George – SG/SF – Miami(FL) – 20.6
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    Johnny Furphy – F – Kansas – 19.5
    Isaiah Collier – G – USC – 19.7
    Malique Lewis – F – GLeague – 19.7
    Kwame Evans, Jr. – F – Oregon – 19.8
    Kanaan Carlyle – G – Stanford – 19.9
    Juan Nunez – PG – Spain – 20.0
    Aaron Bradshaw – C – Kentucky – 20.1
    Jared McCain – G – Duke – 20.4
    Jaylon Tyson – SG/SF – Cal – 21.6
    DaRon Holmes – PF/C – Dayton – 21.8
    Dillon Jones – SF – Weber State – 22.6
    Dalton Knecht – SG/SF – Tennessee – 23.2
    Kevin McCullar, Jr. – SG/SF – Kansas – 23.2
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    Pacome Dadiet – SG/SF – Germany – 18.1
    Bub Carrington – G – Pitt – 18.9
    Izan Almansa – PF/C – GLeague – 19.0
    DJ Wagner – G – Kentucky – 19.1
    Trentyn Flowers – G/F – Australia – 19.3
    AJ Johnson – G – Australia – 19.6
    Yves Missi – C – Baylor – 19.6
    Ja’Kobe Walter – G – Baylor – 19.8
    Melvin Ajinca – SG/F – France – 19.9
    Thierry Darlan – G/SF – GLeague – 20.4
    Justin Edwards – SG/SF – Kentucky – 20.5
    Kyle Filipowski – C – Duke – 20.6
    Zvonimir Ivisic – C – Kentucky – 20.7
    Zach Edey – C – Purdue – 21.1
    Wooga Poplar – SG – Miami(FL) – 21.4
    Tyler Kolek – G – Marquette – 21.4
    KJ Simpson – G – Colorado – 21.8
    Oso Ighodaro – F/C – Marquette – 21.9
    Ajay Mitchell – G – UC Santa Barbara – 21.9
    Nique Clifford – SG – Colorado State – 22.4
    Myles Rice – G – Washington State –
    Saint Thomas – SG/SF – Northern Colorado –
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    Ulrich Chomche – C – Cameroon – 18.4
    Cam Christie – SG/SF – Minnesota – 18.9
    JT Toppin – PF/C – New Mexico – 19.0
    VaSean Allette – G – Old Dominion – 19.2
    Makenzie Mgbako – PF/C – Indiana – 19.6
    Ugonna Onyenso – PF/C – Kentucky – 19.7
    Tyrese Proctor – PG – Duke – 20.2
    PJ Haggerty – G – Tulsa – 20.2
    Baba Miller – F – Florida State – 20.3
    Adama Bal – G/SF – Santa Clara – 20.6
    Dillon Mitchell – F – Texas – 20.7
    Aidan Mahaney – G – St. Mary’s – 20.8
    Cedric Coward – SG/SF – Eastern Washington – 20.8
    Judah Mintz – G – Syracuse – 20.9
    Trey Alexander – G – Creighton – 21.1
    Hunter Sallis – G – Wake Forest – 21.2
    Bobi Klintman – F – Australia – 21.2
    Ryan Dunn – SG/F – Virginia – 21.4
    Trevon Brazile – C – Arkansas – 21.5
    Johni Broome – PF/C – Auburn – 21.9
    Ariel Hukporti – C – Germany – 22.2
    Devin Carter – G – Providence – 22.3
    PJ Hall – PF/C – Clemson – 22.3
    David Jones – SG/SF – Memphis – 22.7
    Darlinstone Dubar – SG/F – Hofstra – 22.8
    Tristan Da Silva – F – Colorado – 23.1
    Tristen Newton – G – UConn 23.2
    Keion Brooks, Jr. – SG/SF – Washington – 23.8
    Milan Momcilovic – F – Iowa State – 24.1
    Jaedon LeDee – PF/C- Sand Diego State – 24.1
    Cam Spencer – G – UConn – 24.2
    Branden Carlson – PF/C – Utah – 25.0
    Darren Buchanan, Jr. – F – George Washington
    Achor Achor – F – Samford –
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    Mohamed Diawara – PF – France – 19.1
    Caleb Foster – G – Duke – 19.9
    Coen Carr – SG/F – Michigan State – 19.9
    Aaron Scott – SG/SF – North Texas – 20.1
    Brandon Garrison – C – Oklahoma State – 20.2
    Keyshawn Hall – F – George Mason – 21.2
    Malik Reneau – F – Indiana – 21.2
    Baye Ndongo – PF – Georgia Tech – 21.4
    Sion James – SG/F – Tulane – 21.5
    Great Osobor – PF/C Utah State – 21.5
    Jaxson Robinson – SG/SF – BYU – 21.5
    Alex Karaban – PF – UConn – 21.6
    Harrison Ingram – F – UNC – 21.6
    Matthew Cleveland – F – Miami(FL) – 21.8
    Grant Nelson – PF/C – Alabama – 22.3
    Ryan Kalkbrenner – C – Creighton – 22.4
    Kam Jones – G – Marquette – 22.5
    RJ Davis – G – UNC – 22.7
    Jonathan Mogbo – PF/C – San Francisco – 22.7
    Reece Beekman – G – Virginia – 22.8
    Johnell Davis – G – Florida Atlantic – 23.1
    Dylan Disu – F – Texas – 23.6
    Emanuel Miller – F – TCU – 24.0
    Tyon Grant-Foster – SG/SF – Grand Canyon – 24.3
    Joel Soriano – C – St. John’s – 24.4
    David Parker, Jr. – SG/SF – NC State
    Garrett Johnson – SF – George Washington
    Michael Ajayi – G – Pepperdine
    Xzayvier Brown – G – St. Joseph’s
    Terrence Edwards, Jr. – SG/SF – James Madison
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    Kylan Boswell – G – Arizona – 19.1
    Tyler Harris – SG/SF – Portland – 19.3
    Bronny James – SG/SF – USC – 19.7
    Alex Toohey – SG/SF – Australia – 19.8
    Andrej Jelavic – PF/C – Croatia – 19.9
    Rasheer Fleming – PF/C – St. Joseph’s – 19.9
    Frankie Fidler – SG/SF – Omaha – 20.1
    Nikola Djurisic – G/SF – Serbia – 20.4
    Maliq Brown – F – Syracuse – 20.6
    Lefteris Mantzoukas – PF – Greece – 20.9
    Adou Thiero – F – Kentucky – 20.9
    Adem Bona – C – UCLA – 21.2
    Tucker DeVries – SG/SF – Drake – 21.5
    Jamir Watkins – SG/SF – Florida State – 22.1
    Aaron Estrada – G – Alabama – 22.3
    Coleman Hawkins – PF/C – Illinois – 22.6
    Anton Watson – PF – Gonzaga – 22.7
    Norchad Omier – PF – Miami(FL) – 22.8
    Tramon Mark – SG/SF – Arkansas – 22.9
    Pelle Larsson – SG/SF – Arizona – 23.4
    Eric Dixon – PF – Villanova – 23.4
    Clarence Daniels – SG/SF – New Hampshire – 23.5
    Tre Mitchell – PF/C – Kentucky – 23.6
    Antonio Reeves – SG/SF – Kentucky – 23.6
    Josh Oduro – PF/C – Providence – 23.7
    Baylor Scheierman – G/SF – Creighton – 23.8
    Alijah Martin – SG – Florida Atlantic – 24.1
    Gabe McGlothan – F – Grand Canyon – 25.3
    Otega Oweh – SG/SF – Oklahoma
    Ian Schieffelin – F – Clemson
    Trazarien White – SG/SF – UNC Wilmington

    Anyways, thought I’d also do another exercise on this thread… if anyone else is up for it, the more the better – so please feel free to join in… The exercise is choose one team – could be your favorite or even as many teams as you want to represent, but basically choose a team and do a big board for just that individual team. It will show how depending on what team you are your big board will be different than the next…

    Anyways, would love to see any mocks/big boards, so I encourage to see where everyone’s at…

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  • #1263052
    NorrinRadd
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    Here’s my Top 25 big board representing the Lakers:

    Zaccharie Risacher
    Stephon Castle
    Alexandre Sarr
    Matas Buzelis
    Kel’el Ware
    Tyler Smith
    Cody Williams
    Kyshawn George
    Ron Holland
    Hansen Yang
    Reed Sheppard
    Rob Dillingham
    Nikola Topic
    Johnny Furphy
    Jared McCain
    Kanaan Carlyle
    Isaiah Collier
    Dillon Jones
    Jaylon Tyson
    Dalton Knecht
    Donovan Clingan
    Juan Nunez
    DaRon Holmes
    Kwame Evans, Jr.
    Malique Lewis

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  • #1263053
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    Pretty much on the money as always Norrin. Whilst I think Ja@kobe is too high on some mocks you’d have him as a virtual 2nd rounder according to your big board. If he’d been in 5th or even perhaps more 6th group I’d have agreed totally with your ballpark draft positions.

    I count down the numbers and where the players correspond in the draft range so Hansen Yang as a late lottery guy is interesting. I know you have rated him better than some US bigs so I cannot argue with that as I haven’t seen much of him.

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    • #1263054
      NorrinRadd
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      I have seen as much as I can find on Hansen Yang. He’s very young and very raw but skilled and very big. That being said, there’s not a ton out there on Hansen Yang to watch. That being said, his numbers aren’t bad and if you connect it with his look on video and the prototype of player he’s similar to, I’m gambling basketball circles catch up to Hansen Yang band wagon people like me and others on the Yang bandwagon train. Then again, he could be an UDFA that “comes out of nowhere” too.
      Curious what your lottery looks like today? What would it be for your Suns if you were playing GM?

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  • #1263057
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    If Suns were 21st pick as they are on this site’s last mock I’d happily take Topic who they have going 20th.

    Seriously I’d take Clingan if he was still available there but I think he’ll be gone. I’d likely look for most NBA ready big who can shoot. Filipowski would also be an easy pick. But it could be a case of BPA who is NBA ready and then take a swing with early 2nd rounder from the Spurs on an upside guy. Or get the best available PG to run the 2nd unit.

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  • #1263058
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    It’s more plausible that Clingan would be on the board at 21 imo than Topic. There are so many bigs that are pretty good that it’s possible your prospect would fall in your lap there.

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    This site has Topic at 20 and Clingan at 50 when IMO they are top 10 and top 20 picks. You’ve got Topic inside your top 7 and Clingan likely lottery. DaRon Holmes I’d add to the Phoenix watch list, a high energy scorer who can fill the stats sheet and easily work around the star players.

    With Phoenix I’m torn between a glue guy who can doi the dirty work and help keep the game tight around the main players or a real shooter who can be an option if KD is being double teamed and Booker is on court too. The guy to take some open shots.
    I think Sarr will be the first legit big man to be drafted this summer, Risacher can play PF but I’d think of him as a combo forward. He may play some C on his team if they go smallball but I’d not class him as a pure frontcourter. The next big off the rank after Sarr could be any of maybe 10 guys or more. So teams looking for a big in mid first round will have to draft reactively.

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    • #1263063
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      Wow, the idea of DaRon Holmes on Phoenix is pretty nice! I think Tyler Smith could be a good fit on Phoenix too, but he is a lot like Jalen Smith, someone they didn’t decide to keep. DaRon would be a perfect fit. Some big is bound to fall though, so why not DaRon?
      As for Sarr, I think he’ll do fine but not sure if he will live up to the hype though. As of now (subject to change as the process goes) I think Risacher is the safest pick in the draft. He’s definitely not a true front courter though. He’s more of a versatile wing/forward to me that can do a little bit of everything. Sarr would work in theory fantastic in Phoenix of course and either player would be a big win. Too high of picks for them to be drafted. Seems like Phoenix has a chance to walk away winners come draft time.
      As for this site’s mock currently posted, Clingan has looked better and better since posted. To be fair, Clingan was hurt for a while and he just got his groove back. I suspect he’ll be higher in the next one. Topic, similar situation. He’s been hurt, percentages have been dismal from long range and his defense is questionable. I suspect he moves up too once he shows some full strength games again. Most boards have both prospects ranked higher though. I look at the mock on this site, don’t get me wrong, but I also gloss over the consensus and certain individual ones as well. (ESPN’s draft crew not just Givonay, NBA Big Boards, No Ceilings, CBS, Tankathon, NBADraft Room, Hoop Intellect, the Athletic, Bleacher Report to name a few) (On another side note, don’t know how The Ringer is still taken serious.) But the consensus is a good way to measure the pulse of every well known prospects’ approximate draft range. That being said, it’s definitely not the end all be all as nothing is in a draft process, especially in a crapshoot year like this one. I agree though, Topic on this site could be switched with Ja’Kobe Walter ultimately and Clingan will climb most likely. But hey I had Zvonimir Ivisic ranked pretty high for a minute as BTPH mentioned before. LOL!

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    With Risacher would Charlotte take him if they have the chance or is he too much like Brandon Miller>

    They passed on Scoot last year as they had Ball so might Sarr be a better pick for them.

    I’d love Risacher on the Raptors to effectively full the Siakam role.

    DaRon I could see Miami looking at, he is NBA ready can fill the stats columns, good potential 3rd scorer on a team. Can play along with or around Bam.

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      Risacher is a lot like Brandon Miller in many ways. I think if I were the Hornets, I’d try trading away Miles Bridges first of all – maybe draft Buzelis to replace him. Or if you keep Bridges – Castle if I couldn’t trade out of the draft. Risacher and Miller wouldn’t be a terrible thing though. I like Sarr, but not sold on his fit in Charlotte. As for best fit though, Stephon Castle would be the perfect fit. He can play point if he has to, but he’s better as a secondary. His shooting is coming along. He passes really well and plays solid defense.
      I’d actually like to see Sarr go to Toronto. He has that length they’ve needed forever and everything else he can do is a bonus.
      DaRon Holmes could virtually fit anywhere, but he does seem like a Heat guy for sure.

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    Stephon Castle’s 3 point percentage isn’t great but he has great size and would have defensive value as 3rd option behind Ball and Miller I can see that being a good landing point for him.

    Sarr at the Raptors alongside Poeltl playing away from the basket at PF makes sense too.

    Memphis I don’t know what they do but with Adams being traded a big makes sense there so Sarr maybe?

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  • #1263068
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    Castle’s three point shooting can improve, but it has been since the beginning of the season.

    Sarr could make some sense, or Buzelis on Memphis… but what’s lacking on the top is a sure fire rebounders in this draft. Clingan could fit good there, but I wouldn’t say at the top.

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    Is rebounding a stat that teams look at, its more a player’s defensive ability I would think. Their wingspan and shot altering ability. Quickness and anticipation of a rebound is a key thing I look at.

    I had a quick look at NCAA rebounding stats and two guys on most mock boards are amongst the leading rebounders – Zach Edey and Hunter Dickinson. Zach’s NBA mobility has been long discussed but Hunter has great size and a good 3 point range but is a senior so has not previously attracted a lot of draft interest despite being a good player on a powerhouse team.

    Clingan’s rpg aren’t great but he has played less minutes than others. I’ve not delved into his advanced stats to see how they stack up yet.

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      Rebounding isn’t usually a stat that teams look at, however Grizzlies fans do right now really bad all the time. Steven Adams was the man for that. Edey wouldn’t be a good fit with the Grizzlies. The offense in todays game is quick and three point open oriented, not slow down and have the offense go around some big for a 2 pointer. He could be a second or third string focal point maybe, but not slowing Ja down, etc. imo. Steven Adams set up great screens, passes well, and rebounds like crazy. Dickinson could be a fit, but I don’t think he’s quite and NBA player. Clingan and Holmes can really rebound for the Grizzlies. Adem Bona who I’m not high on either can actually rebound as a specialty player in that department. Ron Holland can kind of rebound, but he’s not what they need exactly. Maybe the best choice still though – who knows? If you look at Tankathon’s big board, you’ll find some top prospects per 36 surface stats and find that Clingan is up there, despite having a slow start to the year. (He rebounded at an even higher rate last year) Hansen Yang could run the floor, rebound at a good rate and even make a pretty pass in the process. That would be better than Edey as a pick hands down. We’ll see who picks up on that though.

      There’s also some good rebounding wings in the draft or non centers. JT Toppin is thin, but he’s sneaky wirey and gets it done. Saint Thomas rebounds like crazy. That’s not what Memphis needs though. But as for a big that rebounds big time at the next level – we’ll have to see.

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    Great points about Memphis and their lack of rebounding. Even with JJJ who is the current DPOY and I’d say the best frontcourt defensive guy in the NBA he is only a 5.5 career rpg p;layer. Jaren’s defensive strength’s come in other ways but having a big mobile dominant defender alongside him like they had with Steve Adams takes them to the next level.

    With a fully fit strong team I do wonder if Memphis might look to trade out if the draft lottery didn’t go their way or probably trade down to get a couple of first rounders for a mid top 10 pick. OKC and Houston might be two teams who they could do a deal with.

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