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  • #63773
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    Dr. J
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     First time poster, long time reader. So with that said I know the nature of this forum. I came out of the shadows due to the events that transpired yesterday evening. I am a 6ers fan, always have been, always will be.

    The topic I wanted to get your opinion on was Ben Simmons as #1. I know this has been hashed and re-hashed then re-re-hashed but bear with me. What makes Simmons a different prospect than MCW? Simmons is obviously bigger, stronger, and maybe slightly more athletic but the basic skillset of their games are eerily similiar…

    1. Non-shooters
    2. Creative passers/ball handlers
    3. Finish well at the rim
    4. Rebound at a high rate
    5. Can reach the charity stripe at a decent pace

    Imo MCW is the better defender and more naturally suited for the point position, but for the sake of argument let’s consider 6ers put Simmons at the 1. With the progression of the league and the makeup of the 6ers, I forsee Simmons playing a similiar role as MCW and thus becoming a liability if his shooting does not develop. Albeit Simmons has shown to be more careful with the ball than MCW, what makes them different? Mental makeup…both want to be the alpha male so I expect Simmons to not necessarily force his own offense like MCW but something along those lines just not as exaggerated.

    Tell me I’m wrong because I like Simmons. I also like Ingram but I just think Simmons has less red flags (really his only red flag is his shooting).

    Let me know what you think…

     

     

     

     

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  • #1068385
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    BeastMode716
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     in terms of Prospects & Picks from 2013 thru 2019 is Truly Remarkable………. I don’t think people even understand what their last GM Hinkie Really did……… For example Phila could be in the Playoffs & STILL get the #1 pick in EACH of the Next 3 Drafts (2017, 18 & 19)……….. 

    Joel Embiid is a MONSTER….. I saw him in LA during the 2014/15 Season in Warm ups towards the end of the Season & he TOWERS of Nerlens Noel, Blake Griffin & DeAndre Jordan……… I could NOT believe my eyes!!!!…….. 

    And then Embiid starts shooting 3’s! & he’s got touch around the Rim like Duncan or Hakeem………. Emiid is a Monster & he will be a Super Star……..

    For the Sixers to land Embiid in 2014, Okafor in 2015 & now Simmons in 2016 & they will ABSOLUTELY Land More Blue Chippers from the Lottery in 2017, 18 & 19…… It borders on a Video Game……

    Ben Simmons is a LOCK Super Star……. people do this ALl the Time…… you are measuring Ben Simmons Right Now against Current Stars……… 5 years ago people Laughed when I said Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard & James Harden would Rule the NBA…….. 

    5 years from now Lebron will be almost 37 – Durant will be 33; Klay & Steph will be 32; Blake Griffin will be 34, Chris Paul will be Retired……..

    Ben Simmons & Joel Embiid will be 24 & 25 y/o Just entering their Prime – who coming behind them for before them in the 2013, 14 & 15 NBA Drafts would you take OVER Simmons & Embiid???

    Free Agents will BEG the Sixers to play w/ Embiid & Simmons…… If Kevin Durant is Smart he will take One more run w/ OKC & then Sign w/ Phila after the 2016/17′ season…… People will Neg that & laugh but who can Possibly stop that Sixers Nucleus in a couple years……

    Remember Simmons makes EVERYONE around him Better – so you can Add ANY pieces & Simmons will make them Better b/c he has Chris Paul’s court Vision in Blake Griffin’s Body……

    So Phila can trade a Stud like Okafor & bring in Guards like Jamal Murray & Marcus Smart & they will Flourish b/c Simmons & Embiid BOTH need to be Double Teamed……. Dario Saric is a Really nice player who Can shot the 3…… You will Probably Add a player like Jason Tatun next year…. these are potentially STAR players…… & they will be PUMPING Wide Open shots b/c Simmons & Embiid draw So much attention……….

    I like Ingram but he is No Where Near Ben Simmons…… & Ingram is NOT KD 2.0…….. Ingram will be a Jump Shooter in the NBA (just like D’Angelo Russell) b/c Ingram Lacks the Elite 1st step quickness that stes up KD’s entire game…… Ben Simmons Has that Elite 1st step quickness…… & his Shot will be fine….. but his game is Penetrating & dishing to the open man or Dunking……… Phila fans should be doing Back Flips down the STreet…..

    I thought Minnesota had the Best young core w/ Wiggins & Towns but Embiid Detroys Towns & Simmons Destroys Wiggins…… Phila will win Multiple Championships w/ this core……..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1068264
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    BeastMode716
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     in terms of Prospects & Picks from 2013 thru 2019 is Truly Remarkable………. I don’t think people even understand what their last GM Hinkie Really did……… For example Phila could be in the Playoffs & STILL get the #1 pick in EACH of the Next 3 Drafts (2017, 18 & 19)……….. 

    Joel Embiid is a MONSTER….. I saw him in LA during the 2014/15 Season in Warm ups towards the end of the Season & he TOWERS of Nerlens Noel, Blake Griffin & DeAndre Jordan……… I could NOT believe my eyes!!!!…….. 

    And then Embiid starts shooting 3’s! & he’s got touch around the Rim like Duncan or Hakeem………. Emiid is a Monster & he will be a Super Star……..

    For the Sixers to land Embiid in 2014, Okafor in 2015 & now Simmons in 2016 & they will ABSOLUTELY Land More Blue Chippers from the Lottery in 2017, 18 & 19…… It borders on a Video Game……

    Ben Simmons is a LOCK Super Star……. people do this ALl the Time…… you are measuring Ben Simmons Right Now against Current Stars……… 5 years ago people Laughed when I said Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard & James Harden would Rule the NBA…….. 

    5 years from now Lebron will be almost 37 – Durant will be 33; Klay & Steph will be 32; Blake Griffin will be 34, Chris Paul will be Retired……..

    Ben Simmons & Joel Embiid will be 24 & 25 y/o Just entering their Prime – who coming behind them for before them in the 2013, 14 & 15 NBA Drafts would you take OVER Simmons & Embiid???

    Free Agents will BEG the Sixers to play w/ Embiid & Simmons…… If Kevin Durant is Smart he will take One more run w/ OKC & then Sign w/ Phila after the 2016/17′ season…… People will Neg that & laugh but who can Possibly stop that Sixers Nucleus in a couple years……

    Remember Simmons makes EVERYONE around him Better – so you can Add ANY pieces & Simmons will make them Better b/c he has Chris Paul’s court Vision in Blake Griffin’s Body……

    So Phila can trade a Stud like Okafor & bring in Guards like Jamal Murray & Marcus Smart & they will Flourish b/c Simmons & Embiid BOTH need to be Double Teamed……. Dario Saric is a Really nice player who Can shot the 3…… You will Probably Add a player like Jason Tatun next year…. these are potentially STAR players…… & they will be PUMPING Wide Open shots b/c Simmons & Embiid draw So much attention……….

    I like Ingram but he is No Where Near Ben Simmons…… & Ingram is NOT KD 2.0…….. Ingram will be a Jump Shooter in the NBA (just like D’Angelo Russell) b/c Ingram Lacks the Elite 1st step quickness that stes up KD’s entire game…… Ben Simmons Has that Elite 1st step quickness…… & his Shot will be fine….. but his game is Penetrating & dishing to the open man or Dunking……… Phila fans should be doing Back Flips down the STreet…..

    I thought Minnesota had the Best young core w/ Wiggins & Towns but Embiid Detroys Towns & Simmons Destroys Wiggins…… Phila will win Multiple Championships w/ this core……..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071728
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    Untouchable J
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    When 6’10 man-childs weren’t EXPECTED to have a automatic J at age 18 Lmao in 3 years…heck even 1 year, Its gonna look silly how much people are nitpickign this kid. The J will come. Like it came for Bron and Blake Griffin.

    Keep in mind he’s a PF, regrdless of his immense skills, he is a PF. He doesnt exactly have to be JJ Reddick.

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    Untouchable J
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    When 6’10 man-childs weren’t EXPECTED to have a automatic J at age 18 Lmao in 3 years…heck even 1 year, Its gonna look silly how much people are nitpickign this kid. The J will come. Like it came for Bron and Blake Griffin.

    Keep in mind he’s a PF, regrdless of his immense skills, he is a PF. He doesnt exactly have to be JJ Reddick.

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  • #1075261
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    binet
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     I am not convince they will, but 6ers might try him at PG just because of how it seems they really want Saric to come over as soon as this year. Saric probably would not be convinced if he had to compete with a #1 pick for the starting position right now. If the european media say he is 99% coming, that means the discussion he had with the sixers pretty much guaranteed him a starting position next year.

    My opinion is that the initial Colangelo reaction on Saric (neutral on whether the frorward will come or not) is because it’s going to depend on the trade of either Okafor or Noel. That means, in my speculated opinion, that if Philly trades one of its big, Saric is expected to start next year, which means the 6ers want Simmons to play either PG or SF, and given the concerns with his shooting ability and his passing skills, I wonder if he would not be better at PG honestly.

     

     

     

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  • #1075152
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    binet
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     I am not convince they will, but 6ers might try him at PG just because of how it seems they really want Saric to come over as soon as this year. Saric probably would not be convinced if he had to compete with a #1 pick for the starting position right now. If the european media say he is 99% coming, that means the discussion he had with the sixers pretty much guaranteed him a starting position next year.

    My opinion is that the initial Colangelo reaction on Saric (neutral on whether the frorward will come or not) is because it’s going to depend on the trade of either Okafor or Noel. That means, in my speculated opinion, that if Philly trades one of its big, Saric is expected to start next year, which means the 6ers want Simmons to play either PG or SF, and given the concerns with his shooting ability and his passing skills, I wonder if he would not be better at PG honestly.

     

     

     

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