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  • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:18am #464888
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    Illadelph
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     According to this ESPN article, Kentucky essentially produces the best pros.  I am wondering if it’s because Calipari and staff know how to pick ’em, or is it just a function of getting the best players for several years.  Or is there something to the whole "Kentucky isn’t for everyone" that Calipari always talks about.  Could it be that Kentucky selects for a certain type of player that seems to succeed at a higher level in the NBA?  Thoughts?  

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  • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:46am #1134508
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     Kentucky is getting players that are going to pro any way..he’s not making them better. Wall, Cousins, AD, etc. doesn’t matter what college they went to they were going to be top picks…He couldn’t develop anyone who stayed multiple years, the twins, Nik Richards, etc..it is interesting that none of his players has won a championship yet…

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    • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:57am #1134511
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      To refute your ridiculous assumption that he doesn’t develop them  

      Example 1SGA not exactly expected to be what he is. 

      Example 2: Jamal Murray was good but no one thought this. 

      Example 3: Devon Booker look at him now

      Exampke 4: PJ Washington. Last year would have been a late 1st early 2nd round pick. Came back and yes DEVELOPED into a better player possible lottery. 

      Of course with every team there are going to be players that miss but to say that he doesn’t develop them is ridiculous. If these other teams were so good at developing better where are the impact players that we should be seeing. 

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      • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 3:48pm #1134558
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         SGA is the "best" example being only a top 35 recruit, though he was seen as a late bloomer and high riser. Jamal Murray was a top 10 recruit. Booker was consensus 5 star and an All American. PJ Washington was top 20-15 and an All American.

        Notable NBA standouts include Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Julius Randle, DeAaron Fox. All well thought off coming out of high school.
         

        Notable NBA busts include Labissiere, James Young, Archie Goodwin, Terrence Jones, Noel, MKG, Dakari Johnson, all consensus top 11 high school recruits in their classes. 

        Kentucky for the past 10 years have gotten the highest quantity and quality recruits so of course they have the most quality NBA players. Coach Cal can recruit them, but comeon, how much coaching up does he do? He and Coach K are almost the same at this point.

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  • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 9:31am #1134518
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    Everyone loves to disrespect John Calipari and say he does nothing for the development of his players. This is simply lazy and laughable. I do think that arguement can be made for Coach K though based on the track record of Dukie’s in the NBA, but that’s another conversation.

    Trends just don’t magically appear – Calipari deserves credit for both recruiting kids that he sees as serious NBA talent AND developing that talent. 

     

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    • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 3:51pm #1134559
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       I have a precursor to this magic trend of great NBA players. Whos had the best recruiting classes for the past 10 years? They would likely have the most talented college players, and probably, following that logic, the best future NBA players as well right?

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      • Posted on: Tue, 06/18/2019 - 2:05am #1134580
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        Because you can literally say the same thing about Duke’s recruiting classes and they have far less successful NBA players. You assume because he gets some of the best ranked players that they’ll automatically be good in the NBA and that he doesn’t really have to coach. 

        Let’s look at the track records between Kentucky and say Duke just for the past 5 years since everyone loves Coach K. We could go back further – but this is honestly time consuming. These are rankings done by 247 (the leading recruiting ranking site now).

        Kentucky

        • 2014 – ranked 2 (Towns, Lyles, Ulis, Booker)
        • 2015 – ranked 1 (Labissiere, Murray, Briscoe, Humphries, Matthews, Mudler)
        • 2016 – ranked 2 (Fox, Adebayo, Monk, Gabriel, Killeya-Jones)
        • 2017 – ranked 2 (Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, Washington (will be drafted), Richards, Green, Gilgeous-Alexander, Baker)
        • 2018 – ranked 2 (Montgomery, Hagans, Johnson (will be drafted), Quickley, Herro (will be drafted))

        Duke

        • 2014 – ranked 1 (Okafor, Jones, Winslow, Allen)
        • 2015 – ranked 2 (Ingram, Thornton, Jeter, Kennard, Vrankovic, Robinson)
        • 2016 – ranked 1 (Giles, Tatum, Jackson, Bolden, DeLaurier, White)
        • 2017 – ranked 1 (Bagley, Duval, Carter, Trent Jr, O’Connell, Tucker, Goldwire)
        • 2018 – ranked 1 (Barrett (will be drafted), Reddish (will be drafted), Williamson (will be drafted), Jones, Baker)

        I don’t think it’s rocket science to see that I’d rather take the Kentucky boys vs. the Duke boys. EVEN WITH LESS NUMBER 1 RANKED RECRUITING CLASSES THEY HAVE PRODUCED BETTER NBA PLAYERS. We can go back further, but you will find even more Kentucky dominance.

        You could even say Kentucky does a better job developing as of late – especially when players like Gilgeous-Alexander and now Herro were not considered lottery talents. Gilgeous-Alexander was just a lottery pick, and it’s looking more and more like Herro will sneak into the lottery.

        I am not a Kentucky fan. It’s just annoying when people refuse to do research and realize Calipari deserves credit for RECRUITING along with DEVELOPMENT. 

         

         

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  • Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 11:06am #1134531
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    Related topic: A mind-blowing stat I saw recently was that no player coached by Calipari in college has ever won an NBA title.  That’s pretty amazing to me considering all of the players who have gone on to have successful nba careers.

    https://thespun.com/news/no-john-calipari-coached-college-player-has-ever-won-an-nba-finals

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