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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:09am #464887

llperez
I know this thread has been done tons already but im creating another one, deal with it…
so here are the details of the trade
lakers get anthony davis
pelicans get brandon ingram, lonzo ball, josh hart, the #4 pick in this years draft, lakers 2021 first round pick(top 8 protected, unprotected in 2022 if its pushed back), rights to swap first round picks in 2023, and the lakers first round pick in 2024 which the pelicans can defer to 2025 if they choose to.
Lakers angle:
pro—they get a top 5 player who is 26 years old and entering his prime. He wont turn 27 until next march as the season is winding down. By the time lebrons 4 year deal is up, davis will still be 29 years old. The lakers havent made the playoffs in 6 seasons and the effort to do it through the draft has resulted in mediocrity. They needed a superstar, not only one that compliments lebron and will help to get the most out of his remaining years, but one that can continue to be a focal building point well after lebron.
the lakers still have a good amount of cap space to either throw all at one guy they consider elite or to spread around to handful of contributors. Also, the lakers management decided that of all the young pieces they had, it was kyle kuzma who they liked the most and were hoping to keep and sure enough they did just that. Kuz averaged 18ppg last season and stylistically is a perfect fit next to lebron and davis (and whoever else). No he doesnt play defense. but he is a scorer with utmost confidence who wont hesitate to attack or let it fly and he doesnt over dribble or stop the ball when he has it. If he cant catch and score, then he gets rid of it. No iso ball while the clock ticks down.
Lakers have been unable to land elite free agents for awhile. Paul george didnt even give them an interview. Lamarcus aldridge told them to kick rocks. They were never going to be irrelevent. But fans were getting restless and the prestige of being a laker was dwindling around the nba landscape. Now in a span of 12 months, they added two of the best players in the game. Hoping that young guys and draft picks would pan out was just not an ideal scenario at this point in time
another thing is people compare this to the nets giving up numerous future picks to build a win now contender which backfired on them badly. well paul pierce was 36 years old when that trade was made and was no longer playing at an all-star level. he lasted one season with the nets and averaged 13ppg and was clearly on his last legs. kevin garnett was 37 and lasted 1 1/2 seasons with the nets averagin 6ppg for them and was obviously done as an nba contributor from the day he put their jersey on. while the lakers gave even more then the nets did, they also arent getting back anything close to what the nets got either.
cons——obviously they lose lots of solid talent. Im particularly high on lonzo ball. He got very inconsistent minutes under luke walton. Ingram was torching it up before getting hurt last year, I think his final 8 games or something he was averaging 28ppg and looked like a man on a mission. He has all-star potential. Hart is solid and a guy who does all the right things on the court. And then of course there is the picks which we cant know for sure what theyll mean for quite some time but the lakers sacrificed a lot to get here.
Lakers (as it stands today before free agency) are 3 deep. Even after they fill out the roster, they need an aging lebron and an injury prone davis to stay healthy. Thats life in the nba though, but still when you give up so much and put all your eggs in a small basket, those concerns for injuries are magnified.
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Pelicans angle:
pros: The pelicans really started the post davis era with landing the #1 pick(aka zion williamson). Zion will single handidly make this process significantly smoother. They got lots of talent as I mentioned above and of course the picks to set themseleves up long term. Media is applauding them for this deal and rightfully so considering they were gonna lose AD in a year regardless. They save a lot of face for a team losing their franchise player on this and it wouldnt surprise me if they made the playoffs next year. Once davis asked out, there was a cloud over the franchise. Now the fans have busted out of that cloud and have every reason to be positive. Its not like they were competing for titles WITH anthony davis, so how much worse it could be?
cons: good players are a lot easier to come by then franchise caliber guys and if 5 years from now we dont see a major building block on the pelicans roster from this move then it wont be remembered fondly. And its not just about whether or not these pieces become really good players, its also about keeping them. Keep in mind brandon ingram is in the final year of his deal and will be an restricted free agent next summer and the pels might have to match some hefty offers if he plays as well as they hope that he does. I mean the last time new orleans traded a 26 year old superstar entering his prime(chris paul) they got lots of good young pieces (eric gordon, chris kaman, the 8th pick from the previous year al farouq aminu, and the 10th pick in the upcoming draft austin rivers). But all those promising pieces didnt compare to what paul would bring to the clippers.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:47am #1134509
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantAD and rich Paul seemingly gave the Lakers as much leverage as they possibly could, and they still gave up an unprecedented haul bordering on Hershel Walker territory to get him, which kind of speaks to just how desparate the franchise has gotten. If you would’ve told me when Davis requested the trade that it would have taken this much to get him, I would have said no thanks. But it has gotten to a point now where they just couldn’t possibly afford to let someone else step in and steal AD away, not after all the recent embarrassments and badly miscalculating with kawhi and Paul George.
So AD got his wish. Now he has to deliver. We’re about to find out how good he really is. Putting up numbers in a low pressure situation in New Orleans is a lot different from being the centerpiece of a team expected to win a title in LA. Bottom line, if AD fails to lead the Lakers to a title, this is a bad deal for them. No pressure or anything.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 7:47am #1134510

HobbyOGParticipantI dealt with it by giving you a neg…
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 9:48am #1134520

ChoppyParticipantSalty much?
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 8:58am #1134515

Scrooge McDuckParticipantGood post. I don’t see A Davis or Kawhi getting along with Lebron. They don’t have history with him like Wade and Bosh. plus their personalities aren’t the most friendly/welcoming in dealing with B.S. I see this lakers team going down hill fast.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 9:54am #1134521

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantBrandon Ingram only has one more year on the rookie scale, which is why I don’t think he had nearly as much trade value as some people thought. The bar for a “young player” is not when he was born, but when does a team have to make a decision to pay him. Andrew Wiggins was a given a contract because he was “young player.” That lasted right up until that ink dried. Now, he is an albatross. Not one team cares he is 24, because they won’t touch him on that contract. Ingram is not a very good defender, has not really comfortable behind the arc, and does not get to the line enough. Him playing well did not correlate with the team playing well, which is always something to consider.. What is his value on a second contract? He will want to get paid by the numbers, but those are numbers on bad teams. After the draft, what they do with Ingram’s second contract and what they do with Jrue Holiday will go a long way in determining whether Griffin has the Pelicans on the right path.
Lonzo might work out in New Orleans, but he has a 10-5-5 season and a 10-7-7 season. He is Ricky Rubio with a loud mouth father and the hype of being an LA kid. Now, I have no problem with Ricky Rubio at the right price, and in the right situation, but at the moment, New Orleans looks more than little similar to his rookie year Lakers, which wasn’t really a success for him.
I like Josh Hart and Kyle Kuzma. Each have two years at a really good salary for their respective teams, but always trade a find for a star. Frankly, it is why I would argue that the cost of keeping Kuzma might not be worth the full allotment of draft picks they shipped over the next five or so years. Obviously, they are betting that as LeBron goes into his late 30s Davis and Kuzma will be in their late 20s and early 30s and they pick up the slack so that the picks will not be too valuable. They are betting on their find being a star as opposed to keeping the picks and finding another. It certainly helps them in 2019-20 and 2020-21, but then Kuzma goes on his second contract. At that point, he has all the leverage over the Lakers in negotiations. Depending on how the Lakers spend their remaining cap room, they could be looking at Davis, LeBron, and Kuzma on max deals with another $20+ million player probably puts them well above the cap line before any other move is made for 2021-22. I don’t buy the doom and gloom fall off scenario some are telling about the Lakers down the line, but I think it would be wise if the Lakers start looking to buy late first rounders or second rounders as early as Thursday night. It is an issue they need to start planning for now.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 10:26am #1134525
doubledribblerParticipantWhy is no one talking about Brandon Ingram’s blood clot? We saw the same issue end the career of Chris Bosh.
Josh Hart seems like a good role player for a good team, but useless for a bad team.
Ball has a lot of potential, but he’s been injured a lot so far and just landed on a roster with zero shooting. He’s like a taller Rondo minus all the confidence.
Lakers gave up way too many draft picks. No one could or was willing to make a decent offer for AD. I think they kept Kuzma because of his salary. Ingram is the better player, but not the better fit. They made the right choice to go after AD. There is a chance to win now, so no point in waiting.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 8:35pm #1134572

MopgrassParticipantIngram’s bloodclot was formed differently than Bosh’s. The cause was different. Ingram’s clot was caused by an injury that requires blood thinners for a few months. Bosh’s were a genetic issue, forms blood clots in a completely different way, and likely needs blood thinners for life. Ingram’s risk of having clots goes up slightly because he’s had them before, but he’s not much more susceptible than the average person.
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2019 - 12:32pm #1134543

OhCanada-ParticipantDavis sprains his ankle or LBJ pulls his hair follicles does LA lose 20 games straight?
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