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  • Posted on: Fri, 01/03/2020 - 11:22pm #1223394
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    90sNYK
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    Brandon Ingram will be a RFA this summer. So my idea would be for the Knicks to offer him the Max and start him at PG. This does a few things:

    – RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox can play at their their (final) positions of SF and PF.
    – Makes drafting the best SG prospect in a while a no brainer selection; Anthony Edwards. (although Wiseman and Robinson would be insane)
    – Allows the Knicks to have advantages against most teams and keep up with teams like the 76ers and Bucks who they will have to deal with for a while.

    PG: Ingram
    SG: Edwards
    SF: Barrett
    PF: Knox
    C: Robinson

    This lineup is long, athletic and versatile. Ingram, Edwards, Barrett and Robinson can all defend, Knox needs to put on weight and improve defensively. All in all it would be a great and out of the box solution for the Knicks longterm. They can keep versatile pieces like Ntilikina, Randle (6th man, @reduced salary) and Trier and possibly contend if all goes well in their development.

    I love the idea of Wiseman becoming a Knick or even Israeli Luka but Edwards feels like the next D Wade with a better jumper and better bio-mechanics. But I guess thats a convo for another thread.

    Thoughts?

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  • Posted on: Fri, 01/03/2020 - 11:41pm #1223396
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    klementime
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    I’d like to see the advantage these Knicks might have against say – the Nets for example. Who’s got Kyrie? Or even Dinwiddie? The Nets can match up against a Ingram/Edwards/Barrett/Knox/Robinson line up. Easy. Put Durant on 5 if needed to stay with Robinson and you have a nightmare.

    There might have been only a handful of teams that would have a problem with “these Knicks”, but these Knicks would have a loooooong season.

    These combinations work well on playstation. In real life not so well.

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    • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 7:28pm #1223457
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      90sNYK
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      I’ll reply to each post specifically, starting with @klementime:

      The Nets wouldn’t pose that big of a problem, as you said it’s all about matchups.

      Nets will most likely go with:
      PG: Kyrie
      SG: Dinwiddie
      SF: Harris
      PF: Durant
      C: Allen/Jordan

      I would counter with my line up but match up defensively like so:

      PG: Edwards
      SG: Barrett
      SF: Knox
      PF: Ingram
      C: Robinson

      Obviously if we are talking about first year, yes there will be growing pains and lots of learning but my main contention is that this could DEVELOP into a contender as constructed. Everyone will have problems with the Nets when KD comes back because your adding the best 3 level scorer of all time and giving him the best ball handler of all time as a side kick. That still does not dispute my assertion that eventually other teams will have trouble with the Knicks, if all goes well and the players reach their ceilings.

      @he can’t pass consensus:
      That PlayStation line sounded good and got you guys some approval but is it really that farfetched? Ben Simmons, Giannis, Luka, Penny Hardaway, Jalen Rose, Magic Johnson.. not putting Ingram in their playmaking class but he has the potential. He’s shown the ability to play make in that short stint at point guard with the Lakers and this season as a primary ball handler. Maybe you aren’t watching the Pelican games but just in his last game he had some great assists that show off his vision, passing people open and making good decisions on drive and kicks. The evidence is there some of you are just so resigned to disagree that it’s overlooked.

      If you look at the Pelicans on paper they don’t need to pay Ingram the max. They could flip him for more assets and get a great return with his current value. I would hate for the Knicks to have to trade for him but maybe some of the Dallas first rounders can be swapped for his rights.

      Comparing Sprewell to Ingram is the definition of apples to oranges. Different body type, different skill sets. Spree relied on his athleticism, while Ingram relies on skills and length.

      I agree that there are other PG prospects in the draft that the Knicks could have that would be good contingencies, primarily Ball being the most intriguing already being 6’7ish. But I would only feel good taking Ball and adding him to the Knicks as constructed currently. The others I feel don’t have the swagger/experience to deal with NY.

      Let’s say just for arguments sake, I agree with all of your Ingram assessments or the Knicks strike out in my scenario and can’t get him. How do we all feel about RJ Barrett running the 1?

      PG: Barrett
      SG: Edwards
      SF: Knox
      PF: Randle
      C: Robinson

      Thoughts?

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  • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 4:57am #1223411
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    Scrooge McDuck
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    He doesn’t have the greatest court vision or passing ability

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  • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 10:50am #1223418
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    Lakers tried ingram at and thats not his natural position. It would be similar to putting odam or beal at pg full time. They can do it at times, but that is NOT their full time position. Im surprised more people dont see the warriors getting a top 2 pick, and using it with russell to leverage towns to gstate!

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  • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 10:50am #1223419
    bt102
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    Also, how likely is it that the Pelicans would actually let him go especially after this season. I could see them doing a sign in trade but it would probably have to include Edwards.

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  • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 11:01am #1223422
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    Choppy
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    I heard you out and I disagree. Brandon Ingram is a SF, not a PG. He lacks the court vision and passing chops to be anything more than a point forward at best (and he’s still got a long way to go to be even that). Remember when Latrell Sprewell was tried as a PG? Spoiler: it didn’t end well.

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  • Posted on: Sat, 01/04/2020 - 2:16pm #1223429
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    OhCanada-
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    Knicks have an easy draft to nail this summer. If you go top 2 you pick Wiseman or Edwards no questions asked.

    At #3 or #4 if they would be so unlucky (which….lets face it they are the Knicks) they could pick up a PG. This draft has tons of guys you could groom at the PG position with Ball, Anthony, Mannion, Maledon and Haliburton all being guys I can see being solid PG’s in the league. If they could trade down and successfully draft Haliburton I think that would be the best option with that 3rd pick.

    They should also be able to trade some vets and grab some more picks.

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  • Posted on: Sun, 01/05/2020 - 1:54am #1223466
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    klementime
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    Nets will most likely go with:
    PG: Kyrie
    SG: Dinwiddie
    SF: Harris
    PF: Durant
    C: Allen/Jordan

    PG: Edwards
    SG: Barrett
    SF: Knox
    PF: Ingram
    C: Robinson

    In NO position are the Knicks better. And we’re talking about the Nets, Wanna go against say – Boston? Who’s running after Kemba? If you put Ingram on PG then I’d think he wouldn’t be all over the place like PF. I mean – of course it’s basketball and positions are not fixed – but if Ingram starts at PG I’d expect someone else on PF. Probably Randle. Wanna put Randle on Durant? Or even Robinson on Durant if the Nets start Durant at C?

    As for the development stuff – do the Knick have ANY plan on how and who to develop? I mean – the Knicks are as awful as you can imagine. Traded away KP for NOTHING. If they can’t pull a trade would you trust them in having the patience to develop Ingram into a PG? They didn’t have the patience to develop TRUE PGs they have on their roster let alone a guy they’d be paying max money. You don’t develop a max guy into a role he doesn’t fit.

    Not sure about RJ running the PG spot either. The guy’s shooting 35% from the floor with 2,7 assists a game. That’s Rajon Rondo stats without the assists.

    Don’t go chasing things these guys are not capable of doing. Either get a PG that will be willing to play with these kids and help them develop (something like CP3 in OKC), pick someone from the actual crop of PGs where at least two could be useful (in order – Payton, Smith, Ntilkina) and trust him and his abilities. Then draft a guy who can PLAY right away (not the highest ceiling guy but the BEST FIT NOW guy).

    And if they ever get to sign a max player – I hope they’re not spending that money on an experiment. Get a guy that will make a difference.

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  • Posted on: Mon, 01/06/2020 - 8:06pm #1223528
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    HobbyOG
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    Pelicans would match any offer..they have way too much cap space and he’s restricted would be stupid not to match..

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